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    Posted: 09 September 2005 at 14:32

Event

Hornet Final Fling

Host club

Netley Sailing Club (ASA), Southampton Water

Date

24th/25th September 2005

Race Format

Joint open with Osprey & Scorpion classes (Estimated entry 50 boats)

5 races series – 1 discard (after 4 races)

Start Times

Race 1 Saturday 1300

Race 3 Sunday 1030

Type of sailing

Open estuary water within Southampton Water

Triangle-sausage with downwind finish

Separate starts for each class

Fast & Furious!

Weather

Will be perfect!

Tide Times

         1st HW       2nd HW       LW               LW.Ht

Sat    1539          1621          0908          1.4

Sun   1628          1706          0950          1.9

Local knowledge

Although not as strong a tide as Port Dinorwic or even Stone, because of the double high tide, you can observe very different tides depending upon the time of day and position on the race course.

Obviously stronger tides are experience in the deeper main and secondary shipping channels. However, more significantly the direction of the tide can be completely different between high waters. Generally inshore you can expect the tide to turn earlier.

See Southampton tide guide for further information

 

Avoid the disused sewer pipe, don’t attempt to cross it at any state of tide, it isn’t worth it!

 

 

Contacts

Tom Guy    01420 87636

                  07786 967512

                  [email protected]

 

Kevin Burt  01329 844969

                  07990 544536

                  mailto:[email protected]

 

Entry fee

£17

Places to stay

Camping within the grounds of the sailing club. Ideal for families, plenty of space

Hotels and B&B’s - see separate list

Food available at club

Breakfasts from 0830. Hot meals & snacks available throughout the day.

Hoping to organise Chilli and Lasagne meals for evening meal. If  this fails, we suggest a Final Fling meal at a local restaurant.

Apres sail activities

The Scorpion fleet are threatening a night of games. Let’s introduce them to Extreme Frisbee!! (Please provide your own scrum cap, shoulder pads, etc….)

Beer rating!!

The club does a fine line in beers and wines including a guest real ale. For the younger visitors, flaming Sambuccas, B52’s, slammers and Aftershocks are a must!

Directions

For route guide use post code SO31 5GA

See Map below

 

 

Local facilities

Chandleries

Aladdin’s Cave Chandlery – near Burseldon bridge

LDC – Chandlers Ford

Cash points

The club will take cash cheques over the bar assuming you have a card

One Stop in Netley -Link

Tesco at Burseldon (you pass it as you come off the motorway) All cards

Attractions for land lubbers

Netley SC is set within the Royal Victoria country. The park covers an area of 200 acres and features a miniature railway, play areas and woodland walks.

www.hants.gov.uk/countryside/rvcp/

Hamble 10 minutes drive or 45 minutes walking

Southampton 15 minutes to city centre

www.infoville.org.uk/tourism/southampton/tourism_sotontrav.h tm

Portsmouth 30 minutes drive

Home of HMS Victory, the Mary Rose and the historic dockyards and Gunwharf shopping centre!

www.infoville.org.uk/tourism/portsmouth/tourism_portstrav.ht m

 

Access to the club

As you approach the shore road within the country park, there may be 2 locked gates to contend with. If you expect to arrive on the Friday night, please phone either Tom or Kevin to get the combination (This is a public forum hence the reason for not publishing the number here)

The club will open on Friday evening for early arrivals, but only the bar will be open.

 

If you know of anyone who is a spare crew or helm, or needs a boat, please get in contact. We might be able to help

 

 

 

 

Accommodation

 

 

The Prince Consort,

Victoria Road
Netley Abbey

Tel: 023 8045 2676.

Seven en suite modern rooms on the back of a traditional public house.

Very close to Southampton Water and Queen Victoria Country Park.

£45.00 per twin room per night - breakfast included.

 

Netley Village Bed and Breakfast

New Road, Netley Abbey, Southampton, SO31 5BS
Telephone: 023 8045 2414
Fax: 023 8045 2414

e-mail: netleyvillage.bandb.ntlworld.com

Bedrooms: 2 Double
Prices: (Single Occupancy) £32
(Double) £50

Farthings

Jo and Ian Straker

School Lane, Hamble
Tel: 023 8045 2009.

[email protected]

Bed & Full English Breakfast.

Large en suite bedroom;

2 double rooms with separate bathroom and 1 double room with connecting room ideal for crews.

Car parking and drying room.

From £20.00 per person per night.

 

Porthole Cottage

Tim & Sally Rowe

89 Satchell Lane, Hamble
Tel: 023 8045 3249.
Bed & Breakfast

Four rooms, shared bathroom.

Twin room - en suite.

From £25.00 single, £40.00 double.

 

 

Swatchways

Diana Hoskins

Tel: 023 8045 2806.

Bed & Breakfast.

Conveniently located between Port Hamble and Mercury Marinas.

Sailing people welcome.

£20.00 per person per night. (Negotiable)

 

Honeysuckle

Mrs Donald

Flowers Close. Hamble
Tel/Fax: 023 8045 3209.

Comfortable Bed & Breakfast.

Close to River Hamble, Netley, Marinas, pubs, shops and restaurants.

£20.00 - £28.00 per person per night.

 

Holiday Inn Fareham - Titchfield
Cartwright Drive

Titchfield
PO14 4SE
United Kingdom
0870 609 3614
Number of Rooms: 125
Price Range (GBP): 35-75

 


 

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I forgot to attach the Southampton tide information. Also don't forget there are double points on offer for the Travellers trophy series. Current standings are on the website under travellers trophy.

Southampton tides

The unusual phenomenon of the 'Double High Water' in the Solent and Southampton area is well known, but it is not caused by the existence of the two entrances to the Solent or the Isle of Wight as is popularly supposed. However, the two entrances to the Solent do cause other effects to the tide which are not so well known, namely, the 'Young Flood Stand' and the short duration of the ebb tide which are both valuable assets to the mariner.

Young Flood Stand

The 'young flood stand' occurs two hours after Low Water and is particularly pronounced over Spring tides, although this is evident only from the shape of the curve of the tidal trace marks on tide gauge records. During the period of Spring tides following Low Water there is a pronounced rise in tides; and two hours after Low Water the stream slackens off quite considerably for a further two hours before the final accelerated rise to High Water, which takes a further three hours. This slackening effect two hours after Low Water is known as the 'young flood stand'.

Short duration of ebb tide

A full tidal cycle lasts approximately 12½ hours and therefore if the flood and the Double High Water period lasts nine hours, it is evident that the ebb tide runs for 3¾ hours. This short duration of the ebb tide creates a greater velocity of flow and is an uncommon feature as compared with other ports in the United Kingdom.

Double high water

To try to understand the reasoning behind the description 'Double High Water', one has to look first at the tidal flow throughout the English Channel. When it is High Water at Dover it is Low Water at Land's End and vice versa. Imagine the English Channel as a rectangular tank 300 nautical miles in length and having a uniform depth of 36 fathoms pivoted at its mid-length. If inclined in either direction the water flows towards the lower end, thus giving the effect of High and Low Water at opposite ends. At the point of pivot, however, the level remains constant. Of course the English Channel does not tip, but external forces created by the position of the moon and sun relative to the earth create the same effect, originating from the Atlantic Pulse which keeps the English Channel alternating between High and Low Water with the time of High Water at one end coinciding approximately with the time of Low Water at the other. This effect is called an oscillation and occurs twice daily. If the actual physical features conformed to this ideal pattern there would be no tidal rise or fall at mid-length, but though the tides at each end of the Channel do conform approximately to this pattern the friction, irregular depths and restrictions in width of the Channel between the Isle of Wight and the Cherbourg Peninsula result in a further four oscillations daily within an area bounded by Portland, Cherbourg, Littlehampton and Le Havre. Combined with the natural twice daily oscillations, this produces the 'Double High Water' curve as experienced in the Port of Southampton. In the shallower waters within the Isle of Wight and in the Port of Southampton up to thirty further oscillations of varying magnitude again vary the 'Double High Water' curve to produce the ultimate Southampton tidal curve embodying the local tidal features, namely, the short duration of the ebb tide, the 'young flood stand' and the pronounced fall between first and second High Water stands.

Additional features

One further tidal feature inside the Isle of Wight waters occurs because the western end of the Solent is nearest to the mid-length or axis of the English Channel, so that the tidal range is only about half that at the eastern end. The times of High Water and Low Water in the two places differ by only an hour or so however, and the rising tide in the eastern end has to rise further in about the same time as the western end. It therefore overtakes it in height about an hour or so before High Water, though in both places the tide is still rising. This difference in level causes the Solent tidal stream to turn to the westward between one and two hours before High Water, and to continue in that direction near the following Low Water, when it again turns to the eastward.

General

This explanation and theory has come to light through continuous tidal observations since the early 1900s and although past hydrographers and research scientists have tried to discover a firm reason for this 'Double High Water' effect the remarkable tidal features shown in this tidal curve are undoubtedly due to modifications which brought about the existence of the two entrances to the Solent.

 

 

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Hi Tom,

Is it ok to sail on just the Saturday? family etc prevent both days.

Roger

 

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Hi Roger,

Yes, you will be very welcome for just the saturday. We very much look forward to seeing you.

Tom

 

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It has been very quiet, is anyone coming to Netley?

So far we have:

Me

Roger

Kev/Baz

Duncan

Dave/Martin

Maybe Jo/Matt

Eric (50/50)

 

 

 

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Netley Sailing Club

Tesco

 

Directions to Netley Sailing Club in Royal Victoria Country Park – Netley

 

Take junction EXIT 8 from M27

Follow signs to Royal Victoria Country Park (B3397) Brown places of interest sign

Pass Tesco store on Left hand side

Mini-roundabout – straight on (Hamble lane) stay with signs for Royal Victoria Country Park

Next mini-roundabout – straight on (B3397 RVCP)

Follow road through traffic lights – for approx 1 mile

Roundabout – TURN RIGHT – HOUND ROAD (Again signed RVCP)

Follow this road without deviating for approx 2 miles until you come to a T Junction

TURN LEFT – Signed RVCP

Follow this road (Pass pub on Left) ENTER THE PARK gates and drive STRAIGHT ON

Keep the sea on the RIGHT you will pass over two speed bumps and see a road going straight on

TAKE THIS TURNING TO THE RIGHT (Main road bends to the left) If barrier is down padlock code is:

Ring TOM or Baz or Kevin 

Sailing Club is situated at the end of this short road along seashore.

 

see you there

Duncan

 

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I Think Strangs coming but hes at FD worlds at mo.
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Barring disasters the ol' man and myself will be there (GBR-2081)

cheers

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Having organised to borrow a famous new set of sails
We've had to shy off as we are still suffering from bad colds we picked up earlier in the week.

Have a great time,
Wish we we're there,

See you at the SGP

Mike'n'Cath

Happily wearing our cardies
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Tom and the Netley team.

Thanks for a great weekends sailing and social. great to put names to faces etc.

Roger

 

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