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    Posted: 25 November 2015 at 11:04
Just to confirm that our European Championships are set to return to Herne Bay Sailing Club in Kent - there are several Hornets sailing from that club.
6th 7th 8th and 9th August 2016
Please note, this is also Herne Bay Carnival weekend, so there will be lots to see and do.
Camping is being arranged by the club, which we understand is not going to cost anything.
We will not be faced with the same car-parking bills that we suffered at Brixham. Prices to be confirmed in due course, but the event shouldn't cost you as much as last years Nationals
PLEASE CHASE EVERYONE UP YOU KNOW TO COME - there are returns from several good Hornet sailors that haven't been able to make the previous championship, so competition should be hot at the top....Don't let that dissuade you from entering, we all eat drink and party together and we don't have any prima-donna's and everything is friendly and everyone is helpful.
Look forward to seeing you all there.
Kind regards  
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Notice of:

Annual General Meeting of the RYA National Hornet Class Association

Herne Bay Sailing Club

On Sunday 7th August 2016, At 1830 hrs in the Clubhouse




1.    Apologies for absence

2.    To agree the Minutes of the Annual General Meeting held on 17th August 2015 (copy herewith)

3.    Chairman’s report

4.    Election of Officers:

a.       Chairman:                    Eric Marchbanks

b.      Hon Treasurer:            Peter Willans

c.       Hon. Secretary:           Pippa Rogers

5.    Nominations for Committee

Vice chairman                                    Mike Owen

Web Site                                            Tom Guy

Membership Secretary                       Vacant

Members                                            Clint Styles

                                                           Jon ”Strangler” Williams

                                                           Toby Barsley-Dale

                                                           Dawn Barsley-Dale

                                                           Sam Woolner


6.    Treasurers Report, adoption of the accounts and appointment of auditors

7.    Update: Trial of larger spinnaker

To discuss current progress & vote to either:

a)      Continue trial for 2 more months, followed by a postal vote, or

b)      Adopt immediately, or

c)      Reject larger spinnaker


8.    Future Championships

9.    Any Other Business

N.B. Matters raised under this Agenda item are for discussion only and no decisions can be made.

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Minutes of last years AGM

Minutes of the Annual General Meeting of the RYA Hornet Class Association, held Sunday 16th August 2015 at Brixham Yacht Club



Clint Styles, Corin Westley, Dave Edge, Dean Saxton, Eric Marchbanks, Gary Haylett, Jo Powell, Jon Williams (Strangler), Kevin Burt, Martin Arnison, Mike Owen, Paul Bottomley, Pippa Rogers, Richard Barnes, Richard Garry, Roger Kellaway, Sam Woolner, Simon Evance, Tim Coombes, Toby Barsley-Dale, Tom Guy



1.                  Apologies

Apologies were received Alex Rogers, Mike McNamara.


2.                  Minutes for the previous Annual General Meeting

The minutes for the previous Annual General Meeting held on 17/8/2014 were taken as read and approved unanimously.


3.                  Chairman’s report

Eric Marchbanks updated the class with regards to the location of the class moulds, which have been photographed and the situation discussed with the police. It may be possible to get them back, possibly via small claims court, which has a ceiling of £5,000, or they may need to be written off. The Speed deck mould is outside and clearly has been for some time. Eric has spoken to Steve Parker (SP boats) about building Hornets.


There has been a better turnout than expected for the nationals. It is hard when the host club gives a figure for how much a championships will cost but the class doesn’t know who is committed to attending. This year we had an increased fee for late entries, although still much cheaper than some other classes (e.g. Fireballs) and the fees couldn’t be reduced in line with previous championships here. If anybody has any ideas how to get people to commit to championships in advance, please contact Eric as chairman.


4.                  Election of Officers

Officers were proposed “en bloc” by Jo Powell, seconded by Sam Woolner and duly elected.


5.                  The Committee

Re-election of all committee members “en bloc” was proposed by Pippa Rogers, seconded by Kevin Burt and appoved by the members.




6.                  Treasurer’s Report

Kevin Burt presented the latest set of accounts showing no unusual expenditure and a surplus of £526 for the year, giving a total balance of £7, 638. Prepayments covers dinghy show and class affiliation payments for 2015 made at the end of last year.


It was proposed by Mike Own,  seconded by Tom Guy, that the accounts be accepted, and this was approved unanimously.


7.                  Proposal for trial of larger spinnaker

Sam has tried a spinnaker with a longer leach which made a difference in club racing. Dave & Martin also tried it at the Exe regatta. The proposal is to allow sailmakers to develop the spinnaker with a review next year.


Toby Barsley-Dale proposed structured trials (e.g. range of people/winds/venues) against a draft set of new rules. When other classes have done this, the “new” kite was eligible for use in open meetings but not national/European championships.


It was noted that a similar proposal was rejected a few years ago, when an additional panel was inserted but felt to be too hard to handle. Richard Garry suggested that the longer leach kite was bigger but more “reachy”, allowing Hornets to be more competitive against e.g. Merlin Rockets in club racing. It was suggested by various members that spinnaker technology has developed a lot in the last few years allowing faster kites which were easier to handle, with reduced loads. Eric has discussed the matter with Mike McNamara who suggested that the spinnaker pole should be horizontal rather than “skying” as it does with the existing kite.


It was generally agreed that the rules for the “new” spinnaker for trials need defining, and that this could be done by agreement between the sailmakers/their representatives in the class (Mike McNamara, Sam Woolner, Toby Barsley-Dale), approved by the committee. It would need to fit down spinnaker chutes, including those with snodders, and be manageable by smallish/female crews.


Jo Powell proposed, and Mike Owen seconded that the class go ahead with structured trials, with the results to be presented at next years AGM. Proposal accepted, with 13 votes for, 1 against and 3 abstained.


Proposal: New spinnakers with up to 450mm (approx 18 inches) additional leach length (1.2m2 extra sail area). Sailmakers/their representatives to confirm details and present to committee for approval. New design spinnakers could be used in handicap events, so long as they were declared. Details of the trial to be posted on the class website once agreed.


8.                  Proposal: Optional extension of “plank” on sliding seat boats by 300mm overall from current measurement

Eric explained the background to the proposal, i.e. allowing existing plank boats to be more competitive. Tom Guy suggested that it would need to be checked that this does not rule them out of classic events.

7 votes for, 1 against, all others abstained.




9.                  Proposal: Amendment of rule G.4.2(d) to allow two windows in the headsail

Currently only one window allowed which, in cross-cut jibs, is of an appropriate size. However, it is not possible to do such a large window in a radical-cut jib, leaving a potential blind spot which may be a safety issue. There was discussion of limiting the total maximum window size versus limiting the number of windows. Proposal was amended to “Amendment of rule G.4.2(d) to allow a maximum window dimension of 1m2 (no maximum number of windows specified).” Proposed by Toby Barsley-Dale and seconded by Tom Guy.

Unanimously carried.


10.              Discussion: Should carbon be permitted as a hull material and if so, how much of the hull may be made of carbon?

Technically could be done under existing class rules (except the skins or shell) as carbon no longer an “exotic” material and there is no current list of permitted materials. Theoretically including carbon would result in a stiffer, lighter hull than existing glass boats and potentially increase the profile/marketability of the class. Limitations could be placed on minimum laminate width or cloth thickness and/or correctors and their placement.

Concerns expressed:

·         making older boats less competitive therefore harder to get new people into the class. Currently the class has a strong competitive older fleet compared to other fleets. However, this strength could also be viewed as a weakness.

·         need for evolution versus revolution

·         need to ensure existing boats remain in class

·         may have to be approved by RYA technical committee

Potentially could have a carbon/partially carbon boat by 2016 nationals. Raw materials cost around £200 more. A general discussion then followed regarding potential for new boats & builders.

If the issue were currently voted on: 3 were in favour, 5 against, the rest abstained.



11.              Future Championships

Europeans in Herne Bay next year (2016).

2017 – Possibly Brightlingsea or Colwyn Bay

2018 – Possibly Torbay with the Kestrels

Mike Owen looking at developing the concept of a classic or vintage fleet at championships.


12.              Any Other Business

Mike Owen considering inviting youth class winners from other fleets to sail a Hornet.


There being no other business, the meeting closed at 8.15pm.

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The Champs at Herne Bay are on their way and we need to let you know all the boring and exciting stuff we are organising.



The club will be open at 10:00hrs on Friday for those arriving early.  All sails to be used in the event must be pre-measured by an RYA measurer before arrival, the measurers certification/stamp will be checked and the sail stamped by Sam and Toby – initially they will stamp 2 jibs, 2 mains and 2 Spinnakers per boat – if one is damaged during racing, it will be possible to stamp a replacement the evening after racing that completes that day.  We are allocation 6-8pm on Friday for this but all sails must be certified before arrival - no full measurement of sails will take place at the event due to time restrictions. (If you really can’t make Friday, see Saturday’s time slot below)  

Food won't be provided by the club this night but you can bring your own take away in and the bar will be open so come in, bring your dinner and have a beer with the rest of us:-)


If you haven’t registered you will be able to register that morning from 09:00hrs to 11:30 hours – remember after Monday the 1st August you must pay by cash – cheques cannot be accepted on the day. You may still pay by BACS up to and including the 1st August 2016. See note below for details of how.

Saturday morning will have another couple of hours from 8-10am for sail checking.  No sails will be checked after this due to racing after lunch.  If you think this will be an issue please let us know as soon as you can.
In the evening, the first point of order will be a meeting of the Crews Union to update the current rule - helms, time to be at the bar for this!

A Commodores Reception is being held in the evening check the race notice board for further details of timing – there will be a free drink and some munchies. To follow on, you can also order a meal of Chicken Casserole/vegetarian option and/or an optional dessert.  This will cost the grand total of £6 for the main and £2 for the dessert.

We will also be collating the buddy teams this night and the first event for them will be a giant Jenga tournament with prizes for the winners - something everyone can take part in and a test of dexterity and a calm disposition....should be interesting


AGM at 1830 hrs in the Clubhouse – details have already been published

Sunday night is Chilli night (veggie and beef) with some bolognese for those who don't like chilli.  It is also the night of the grand Blow Boat competition (yes, so many jokes, so little time).  Prizes are up for grabs and buddy teams will be used - come and show who can build the fastest boat, beer tokens of £5 to spend at the bar up for grabs as provided by the association out of the entry fee.


The 'Come as your Boat Name Party'.  Come and show us your stuff with a dressing up as your boat name party followed by a sailing quiz run by little and large AKA Sam and Toby or Fat boy slim if you prefer....the mind boggles!! Prizes for both events, how can you miss it?

These events are what we make of them so come and make your mark.


Food will be available all day and for breakfast Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.

Full sailing instructions will be available shortly on the forum and the Facebook page


Now for the really boring bits:

Payment - We would prefer that entry is paid by bank transfer direct to the class account on Monday the 1st August at the latest so that the association has the funds in hand to pay Herne Bay before you get there –. If you can fill in entry form, scan and send to Peter Willans the treasurer that would be great – his email is prwacc@aol.com you can make payment via internet transfer - Contact Peter or Eric  eric@marchbanksplanning.co.uk  for account details, otherwise if not possible, it will be cash only at registration on the day.


Sail checking - This is compulsory for ALL boats and you must ensure that you either attend one of the pre-event sessions or contact us to arrange another time.  No sails will be checked after 10am on Saturday unless your stamped sail is damaged and you cannot race with un-stamped sails.

Pre-orders for meals will be taken to gauge numbers at entry but you will have to pay for yours on the night. 

So, what are you waiting for?  Pay your entry and book your place today.  Any questions, let us know and we'll do our best to answer.....let's make Herne Bay an event to remember....


Call Eric on 07887766146 after work for queries regarding the sailing side or email eric@marchbanksplanning.co.uk  

Call Dawn 07837935329 after work for queries/offer of help regarding the social side or email dawn.barsley.dale@gmail.com


If you are taking up Herne Bays offer of camping by the club or motorhome/caravan on the promenade, please advise Eric (details as above) what type of accommodation you are bringing. Anyone kipping under cover in their boat will receive the order of the hose pipe early morning….under someone else’s cover an even more dire consequence. 

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RYA National Hornet Class

2016 European Championships

Saturday 6th August to Friday 9th August 2016 

Hosted by:

The RYA National Hornet Class and under the Burgee of

Herne Bay Sailing, Beacon Hill, Herne Bay, Kent CT6 6BA.

1.0 Organising Authority

1.1 The Hornet National Championships will be organised by Herne Bay Sailing, Beacon Hill, Herne Bay, Kent CT6 6BA. hernebaysailing@btconnect.com - Event Contact Richard De Lisle 01227 791637 or 07925 236042


2.0 Rules

2.1 All racing, officials and competitors will be governed by the Racing Rules of Sailing (2013-2016), the prescriptions of the RYA, the rules of the National Hornet class, the rules of Herne Bay Sailing Club, the Notice of Race and the sailing Instructions.

2.2 Race management will be carried out by Herne Bay Sailing Club including organization of protest committees


3.0 Event Classification

3.1 The 2016 RYA National Hornet Class European Championships is designated as a Category C event. Advertising is  permitted as per Category A, and in addition on hulls, spars and sails without restriction except the space reserved for identification by Appendix G and under section 20.3(b)(i), 20.3(c)(i) and 20.3(d)(i). The organising authority may require competitors to display Event Sponsors advertising material.


4.0 Eligibility

4.1 Each boat must have third party insurance cover of not less than £2,000,000 whilst competing in any race of the programme.

4.2 Either the helms-person or crew must be either a full adult or full junior member of the RYA National Hornet Class Association.

5.0 Measurement

5.1 All competing boats shall hold a valid measurement certificate.

5.2 All boats shall be presented for measurement checks during the Registration and Measurement period.

5.3 The Race Committee may instruct measurement checks to be made at any time during the Championship.

5.4 All sails to be used in the event must be pre-measured by an RYA measurer before arrival, the measurer’s certification/stamp will be checked and the sail stamped, sails may be check measured. Anyone racing with a sail that has not been stamped may be disqualified.

5.5 Initially up to 2jibs, 2 mains, and 2 spinnakers are eligible for stamping. Further sails may be stamped if the originals are damaged on the evening of the day that the damage occurs

5.6 Boats shall be made available at any time to be scrutinised throughout the event.

5.7 The first three boats of each race may be weighed after the last race of each day. Boats found to be underweight will be penalised by a 5-point penalty per race sailed that day. It is the responsibility of each competitor to ensure his boat is the correct weight prior to the start of the championship. The class scales will be available on Friday the 5th from 19:00hrs to 21:00hrs and Saturday morning from 09:00hrs to 11:30hrs should competitors wish to check weigh their own boats prior to the start.



6.0 Registration

6.1 Sat 6th August                              

Measurement and registration for those not pre-entered 09:00hrs to 11:30 hours – remember after Monday the 1st August you must pay by cash – cheques cannot be accepted on the day. The preferred way for you to make payment is by Internet transfer/BACS up to and including by the 1st August 2016

The account number is RYA NAT HORNET (Sort code:55-50-28, Account number:02503166) which is a Nat West number

A printed copy of the Sailing Instructions will be available upon completion of registration at Herne Bay Sailing Club, having satisfied the Eligibility and Entry Requirements






7.0 Proposed Schedule of Races, Race area.

7.1 It is the competitor’s responsibility/discretion to allow enough time to sail to the start of the race course. No redress will be given for those arriving late.

7.2 Races not completed as scheduled may be sailed at a later time or day during the championship


7.2          Sat 6th August                      Race 1 and 2

Sun 7th August                    Race 3, 4 and 5

Mon 8th August                    Race 6, 7 and 8

Tues 9th August                   Race 9 and 10  No race shall be started after 15:30 on the last day

7.3 When two or more races are scheduled per day the first two will be sailed back to back

7.4 Racing shall be on the open sea directly off Herne Bay Sailing Club between approximately 0.25miles and 3 miles offshore.

7.5 Courses will be Olympic Triangle/sausage courses as defined in the sailing instructions. Boats must finish within 45 minutes after the finish time of the leading boat for their race to be valid.  


8.0 Number of Races to Count / Discards.

8.1 Each boat’s series score shall be the total of all her race scores, except that discards shall be applied as follows:

      Races sailed -  Discards 1– 4 races completed No discard 5 to 7 races completed 1 discard 8 races completed 2 discards

8.2 A minimum of four Championship Races must be completed to constitute a European Championships


9.0 Replacement of Crew

9.1 Substitution of competitors will not be allowed without prior written approval of the Race Committee


10.0 Protests/Advisory/Arbitration Hearings.

10.1 The Advisory/Arbitration Process will also be available as an alternative to full Protest.  

11.0 Prize Giving.

11.1 The prize giving will be on Sunday 9th August as soon as possible after the completion of the last race sailed. 

12.0 Entry

12.1 An entry form as supplied must be completed and accompanied by the appropriate entry fee payable to RYA National Hornet Class before competing in the Championship.

      One paid up member of the RYA National Hornet Association shall be aboard each Hornet entered when racing

Entry Fee (Junior* means helm and crew are under 21 on 6 August 2016)


Before 1st May 2016

On or after 1st May 2016

Full championship 4 days

Full UK Association members



Junior* UK Association members



Overseas Association members



Historic boats





13.0 Sailing Instructions

13.1 Sailing Instructions will be available on registration from the Race Office at Herne Bay Sailing Club on    Saturday 6th August 2016.


14.0 Social Program

14.1 A full social program is being arranged by the renowned Hornet Social Team including – Commodores reception, Games night, Barbeque, music and more. Prize giving – none to be missed!



Competitors participate in this event entirely at their own risk. See rule 4, Decision to Race. The organizing authority will not accept any liability for material damage or personal injury or death sustained in conjunction with or prior to, during, or after the regatta.

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