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    Posted: 19 June 2004 at 23:39

Hi, Cath and I have just picked up our new baby.

No 2093, name of  Sprogmuncher, we think.

A quickie question,
The mast looks like an old needlespar or similar, what is the "mast to have" in the Hornet Class?
I have a spare Javelin Proctor D mast that I could cut down, would it suit?

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Hi Mike, Cath

Welcome to the fleet!

There appears to be a wide range of masts seen on Hornets including: D, Stratus, Cumulus, Epsilon, M2, M3 & M7's!

Unless you are at the extremes of the weight range, I think most boats are going with M7/Cumulus option. Both are pretty stiff sideways which helps keep things under control with the overlapping genoa. However, based on your light weight the 'D' with slightly longer spreaders would probably be a good choice. I will pass this message on to Strangler, our technical representative. In the past he has used a D very successfully.

I noticed from the picture, you have a hoop. You may want to consider changing this for either an adjustavle centre strop system, or the transom sheeting using a split mainsheet.

I will post this under the technical section

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi, Cath and I have just picked up our new baby.

No 2093, name of Sprogmuncher, we think.

A quickie question,
The mast looks like an old needlespar or similar, what is the "mast to have" in the Hornet Class?
I have a spare Javelin Proctor D mast that I could cut down, would it suit?

Cheers

Mike 'n' Cath


Hi Mike, Cath

Welcome to the fleet!

There appears to be a wide range of masts seen on Hornets including: D, Stratus, Cumulus, Epsilon, M2, M3 & M7's!

Unless you are at the extremes of the weight range, I think most boats are going with M7/Cumulus option. Both are pretty stiff sideways which helps keep things under control with the overlapping genoa. However, based on your light weight the 'D' with slightly longer spreaders would probably be a good choice. I will pass this message on to Strangler, our technical representative. In the past he has used a D very successfully.

I noticed from the picture, you have a hoop. You may want to consider changing this for either an adjustavle centre strop system, or the transom sheeting using a split mainsheet.

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Thanks Tom,

We have a little work to do on her,
The foredeck has sprung in a couple of places,


there is a tiny bit of dodgy looking varnish near the lower gudgeon fitting,


And the Chute area needs attention plus the removal of the old forestay mounting.
Can I locate it in the area identified by the arrow?
Are there any rules covering what I can or cant do in this respect?

By the way as we are still just low life "non paid up members" we dont have access to the techy bits on the forum.
Will join, on the list of things to do but the list is pretty long just now!

Cath n Mike

P.S. just had £1000 worth of Harken goodies delivered for giving away at the SGP, the Musto, Craftinsure, Gill, Marlow and Superspar goodies to come.........

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Hi Mike and Cath

Welcome to the fleet. Will we see you at Sandwich?

I am currently using a Proctor D, and previously an M7. I did not notice a lot of difference between them. These are the popular choice for lighter crews. So a spare D should be fine.

The spreader height on Proctors in recent years is at least 12" !! higher than SSpars. If you are cutting down I guess this would give you low speaders. you may want to consider raising them. I do not have an exact mment but can find out at w/e.

I will email you a measurement diagram for masts.

Cheers Strang

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I suggest a multipack of duck tape for the foredeck! Actually the boat doesn't look bad considering it has not been sailed for a while.

That lump of wood at the front is affectionately known as the 'Snodder'. In its time it has reduced the life of many a spinnaker which is why we changed the rules in 2001. Yes, this can be removed as long the new tack point meets rule 14.5

14.5 The extension of the headsail luff shall intersect the sheerline not less than 4714mm from the aft edge of the transom on the centreline of the boat

Most boats have modified their boats, but there are a couple of points to consider:

A few boats have not removed the snodder fully (only 2/3rd). By doing this it presents a fairer entry for the spinnaker rather than a vertical surface.

A couple of boats have recently opted for spinnaker bags as opposed to the chute. i.e they don't need to remove the snodder. Having the snodder further forward is probably better (opens slot, etc). The Scorpions always claim that the tack ahead of the chute is much faster, but the jury is still out within the Hornet fleet.

The rule are available from the RYA site:

http://www.rya.org.uk/images/uploaded/2003_class_rules.54a00 62c-05b7-4606-9fc6-bdad5ff01817.pdf

As the forum has only just started, there is little in the technical section. Although I'm sure your questions will soon change this!!

 

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hi Mike and Cath,

i have measurements from a number of boats masts that sail/ sailed from PD with some sucsses. I will bring them to the Rutland. i am also one off the sailors that has bloocked off the sute and enjoying the new expirance.!!

cheers Duncan 2155

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Strangler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2004 at 20:09

I put this in the Tech Section before seeing the above

Hi Mike and Cath

Welcome to the fleet. Will we see you at Sandwich?

I am currently using a Proctor D, and previously an M7. I did not notice a lot of difference between them. These are the popular choice for lighter crews. So a spare D should be fine.

The spreader height on Proctors in recent years is at least 12" !! higher than SSpars. If you are cutting down I guess this would give you low speaders. you may want to consider raising them. I do not have an exact mment but can find out at w/e.

I will email you a measurement diagram for masts.

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Thanks for the info,

Our plan is to clean her up, fix the dodgy bits and then refit her like my Javelin, (so I don't get confused!)
One item that may stay is the strut.
Never liked them on the Javelin as the jib has such a big overlap and it plays merry hell when tacking, plus the use of lowers gives better low down lateral support.
However seeing that a strut has been fitted to the Hornet I may well stick with it, although it appears that it was never used for prebend as there is no control line pulling the car up.

The sails are pretty shot. A Holt main and a Mac jib circa 1980's by the look of them so a new set will have to be aquired.
Are Mike Macs still high on the must have list in hornets?
I must say he has done a great job on my new Jav sails.

Anyway once ready for the water she will be sailed at Southwold SC on the East Coast.
Cath will be on a pretty steep learning curve as she has not been sailing since she was a babe in arms and has never raced.
Plus sailing with me is a challenge in itself....
However I miss Stone (especially the showers) since it was dropped from the Javelin circuit so we plan to come to Stone Open this year for our first taste of Horneteering.

Will hope to see you at the SGP in a couple of weeks.

Cath n Mike

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