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    Posted: 25 October 2011 at 12:21
Hi All
 
Just a very quick note to confirm that North are starting work on a new rules mainsail to be ready for the 2012 season.
 
Plan is to design and build ready for the end of this year and then test through the winter and early spring. The sail will certainly be ready for the major winter events such as the Grafham GP, Bloody Mary, Tiger Trophy and Hoo Freezer for any who are hardy enough to want to come and have a look.
 
The design will initially be based upon our current successful HM-2 mainsail but we will also take into account recent advances in design thinking based on our experience from other similar classes. In addition the design will also evelove to account for the change in material.
 
Our plan is to build the sail from ATX Kevlar. This is a cloth that we have developed in partnership with Contender Sailcloth and that is produced exclusively for North Sails. It is designed to work in radial panel layouts and this is by far our preferred layout for a laminate sail.
 
I will keep you posted as more information becomes available. If anyone has any questions, please leave a message here or get hold of me at the office.
 
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I'm sure everyone else who's interested is going to ask how much, and what's the extra compared to Dacron price as well? Why have you chosen this particular cloth - weight/strength/price/profit!/exclusivity and using up stocks? The last 2 were a bit facetious!

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How much I won't answer until we have built one. We want to quantify things properly whenever possible. However an indication would be £750 + VAT comapared the current £600 + VAT.
 
As for the cloth we feel it offers very good performance. The cloth is a range we have developed in house to initially satisfy our Olympic Finn clients but that has now been expanded to cover a much wider range of applications and classes by varying the film thickness and fibre density. We recently launched it into a number of classes including Fireball, Osprey, Phantom and 505. it has been very popular and successful in all of them.
 
I'm happy to dicuss a deal if anyone want to secure an early build slot once the sails are signed off.
 
Winter discount on all the current range is 10%, full details are here...
 
 
 
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look at fotoboat Carsington pics ( Speed sails!!!)
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Hi Folks 

Quick update. The North Kevlar main will be on show at the Tiger Trophy together with a new look jib. These sails will also be on show at the Dinghy Show in March.

The boat will also be sporting the new North spinnaker design used at the Nationals.

Anyone interested in a cheaper set of sails for 2012 should contact me ASAP as these sails will be available after the Hoo Freezer, meaning they will have done just a couple of events.  

Cheers for now.

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Just a quick update following the previous post. 

I'm delighted to say the sails performed really well at the Tiger across a wide wind range. They also performed well in the COLD!


This is not an exciting picture, but shows the general look.

Any questions, please get in touch.

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Me again folks.

Sorry, been a little lax in updating the progress with the new sails. But here are a few more thoughts on the 2012 sails offering and the laminate main.

Sadly the Hoo Freezer didn't provide a lot more feedback, but we feel we managed to learn some more about how to get the laminate main to work well. Saturday was by far the best days sailing breeze but due to a bout of professional incompetence in the boat and despite having started well we gifted a huge lead to Strangler and John Shelton. For the rest of the race we played catch up and were pretty pleased with how the boat went. We certainly had really good pointing, higher than Strangler and JS at times and speed felt pretty good. However we were concerned that there was too much prebend in the rig for the marginal trapezing/ max power conditions.

For Sunday we straightened the rig a little and were much happier with how the mast behaved. Sadly the wind wasn't playing ball. Again Strangler and JS got away to a big lead rounding the first mark minutes ahead (this time it was not our fault). But we felt the boat was always moving nicely (in a relatively slow way in less than 4 knots of wind) which allowed us to keep our heads out of the boat and sail the puffs and the tide. Eventually passing Strangler and JS on the last beat. 

It's hard to draw many conclusions from such a race, however if the laminate main was to have a weakness it may well be in the very light conditions. The extra strength and stiffness can potentially mean the sail is hard to set in very little wind, but the light weight of the cloth combined with a quite soft film that is used in the North Sails ATX Kevlar cloth seemed to off set that and the sail was perfectly usable even in the very light.

So far so good. We are happy that the rig is coming together really nicely. We can't wait for the next event to keep the progress going.

Give me a call or drop me a line if you have any questions.


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What a great weekend sailing!

A mixed bag of conditions allowed us to really have a good look at how the boat is coming along. 

Saturday was light, and for the first race we felt we lacked pace. This seems to have been simply down to us being greedy and wanting too much point and over triming and not allowing the boat to get going. A more relaxed set up for the second race was much better.

Sunday, was breezier and although we never felt truly happy upwind, clearly there was no significant issues as we always rounded close to the front. There is still work to be done but on reflection this is more likely to be sailing technique rather than set up although there are a couple of small changes we fancy making.

Downwind was great all weekend, we always felt we had good speed and even when things were not quite so rosy after a poor beat we were always able to get back into contention.

Once again the rudder was great offering really good feel and control in all conditions and the reduced drag has to be contributing to the offwind performance.

Conclusions? Well the new look North rig certainly seems to be working. The spinnaker is definitely very fast reaching and good on a run. The laminate main is very stable and holds it's shape really well and clearly has pretty good pace. I don't think we have got the best from it yet but already it is starting to deliver the results...


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Tobes, just have to say you didn't seem too confident just after the start of the first Sunday race when you tried pointing and then footing on starboard tack to try and poke out in front of us! Lucky for you we were slow tacking!!! lol

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Originally posted by Steve Cooke Steve Cooke wrote:

Tobes, just have to say you didn't seem too confident just after the start of the first Sunday race when you tried pointing and then footing on starboard tack to try and poke out in front of us! Lucky for you we were slow tacking!!! lol



I did say we've not got the best from it yet... still experimenting a lot upwindWink

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