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Topic: Welcome
Posted By: MR3546
Subject: Welcome
Date Posted: 26 January 2005 at 20:37

Actually I'm not a paid up member of the Hornet Association - I sail a Merlin Rocket!!!

However, on behalf of Tim Coombe and the Starcross YC Hornet fleet, please could you post an invitation to your members for the Starcross Steamer pursuit race on the 6th March 2005, start at 13:00.  For further details see Http:\\ or tel (01626) 333865


David Lee




Posted By: Tom Guy
Date Posted: 27 January 2005 at 08:12

Thanks David, I'll post it now



Posted By: Pippa
Date Posted: 15 March 2005 at 21:39
It would be handy if the website told you it's the same username/password as for accesssing the fastsail forum. Surely I'm not the only one who's tried to register for the hornets only to find my username of choice already in use... by me!

Posted By: Tom Guy
Date Posted: 16 March 2005 at 15:00

Hi Pippa,

Not sure why you had this problem. When we changed to the new look website, I was automatically logged in as per before. i.e. it was seamless.

No doubt Barry will be able to explain the operation of Cookies and all which might explain why it went wrong for you.




Posted By: westie4566
Date Posted: 02 April 2005 at 10:44

As a keen sailor of symmetric class boats I'm extremely surprised at your associations decision to limit the use of your forum to members only.

I'm here today as a friend has just aquired H1628 which - as an experienced restorer of boats - I've been asked to help with. I - wrongly - thought 'I'll hit the Hornet website for pics and tips' - but find myself thwarted.

In the current climate of mass produced asymmetric classes gaining a stronglehold on the dinghy sailing market, we sailors of traditional symmetric classes should be doing our utmost to promote our associations....and taking this members only stance seems a daft way of doing it??


One only has to look at the website/forums of the Merlin Rocket and Solo Associations to see how helpful and welcoming they are. Surely it's no coincidence that both classes are experiencing a revival.


Hopefully your committee see the wisdom in making your Class and website more welcoming to prospective  Hornet sailors?






505 8009, Solo 2392 and Classic 14 1059

Posted By: Harry Ashworth
Date Posted: 03 April 2005 at 18:27
I agree, and the recent site revamp has made the photos disappear. "for sale" is now hidden, and there is no "FAQ" or similar ( Baz please note)

Posted By: Alex
Date Posted: 04 April 2005 at 13:37
For Sale / Wanted is under the notice board bit

Posted By: Tom Guy
Date Posted: 16 April 2005 at 23:50

Andy (and all visitors),


Thank you for comments and advice regarding the site, these have been very much taken on board.

The main reason why you cannot directly obtain any information regarding hints and tips is that the website has recently been revamped. Despite our best intentions (and we are much smaller classes than either the Solo or Merlin Rocket, so lack the numbers and resources to progress this quickly), we have not been able to add the new content. Why don’t we use the original information (FAQ’s, etc)? One of the reasons we changed was because we were aware (and through our forum so were our members!!) That dated information is probably worse than no information. We will endeavour to complete this as soon as possible.


The forum is slightly different. It has always been our intention to have 3 levels of access to the website: Committee, members, and non-members. We made a very conscious decision to limit access to non-members because we felt that some of the information was not for general consumption. For example, following championships there are certain comments that are probably best kept out of a public forum! Also I have visited a number of class websites where the internal politics are there for all to see, and quite frankly, it does them no favours.

We do recognise that there is a balance, which needs to be achieved. The website and its contents are seen by some as a reflection of the state of the class (some might say this is a sad reflection of the times as none of us started sailing in a class because of the image was good….)

But, I accept that we have not paid enough attention to the development of the visitors’ requirements. As a direct result some of the discussions will move to the public forum.

Additionally, your comments remind us that the forum (not just the website) is a valuable promotional tool. 


Now back to your original reason for posting on the forum: Assistance on H1628.


H is for Holland. Unfortunately the latest sail number for our Dutch fleet is H172. So I assume that this should be K1628.


K 1628 was originally registered in 1970 as Miss Stress.


Now we hit reality (or a problem). Even if we were to update all the information (old or planned) under Hints and Tips, it is highly unlikely that we could cover the information necessary for what is a very old boat. In fact, the information we have is for boats from 1979 onwards. Only 9 years but the difference is considerable. 


On the more positive side, there are a number of members who have been with the class from the start who may be able to help. There is also a growing interest in the classic Hornets (there have been many rule changes) which again will be reflected on the non-members website. 


Could you provide any more information about this boat, its current state and to what level you want to restore it. Based on this, I’m sure we can get some feedback.


Tom Guy

Class Chairman


Posted By: westie4566
Date Posted: 24 April 2005 at 11:19



Well  - it seems my perceived apathy and disinterest of the Hornet Class was well founded.


Having read the reply by Tom Guy I was slightly disheartened by the fact that he seemed to deem my boat (yes K1628 as landed in my posession) worthless as she's a 'very, old boat'! Mmm - let's see 33 yr old Solo compete's very well after an 8 month rebuild. She's down to weight and although maybe slighly different in hull profile to the 'modern' Solo's is still up on the pace and sails great on handicap! Which is JUST what I wanted to do with the Hornet!!!


Right now I have a totally stripped grp hull that's been dry stored for about 15 yrs and in perfect condition, plus all the epoxy and timber raring to go - but NO-one will help by giving me any photo's of old or current Hornets to give me a shove in the right direction. Surely even  a 'very old' Hornet - if built down to weight - is worth saving????


I'm now guessing the the Hornet Class Association doesn't think looks like K1628 will be cut up and your class loses another boat. This makes me very sad!


I refer back to my earlier post about the thriving Merlin Rocket association which gives great encouragement to ANY MR owner, regardless of the age of their boat or whether or not they're members of the class association. Perhaps they have the wisdom to realise  that, should an owner start of with an old boat and like it,  AND be made feel welcome to the class that there's evey chance that they will become association members, buy newer boats and become active promoters of the class. 



Posted By: jezzer
Date Posted: 24 April 2005 at 12:21


We re-fitted/semi restored 2161 but it will be quite a bit different, we have three Hornets at the club so I am willing to take pics for you.

If you email me at mailto:jeremy.shinto[email protected] - [email protected]

Ill send you some pics, or you can come and look at our boat, we are in Birmingham



Posted By: Duncan West
Date Posted: 24 April 2005 at 13:28

i also have some photos of my boat, 2155, Baker hull, like many hornets much moderfied. if you are in North Wales come to Port Dinorwic sailing club where there are 8 in the Dinghy Park.

my email address is

mailto:[email protected] - [email protected]

cheers Duncan

Posted By: Tom Guy
Date Posted: 24 April 2005 at 23:28


I'm not sure if you realise after I posted my response, you didn't let anyone know what your plans were with the boat were, except by e-mail to myself alone. Unfortunately I have had e-mail issues so have only just been able to receive your response.

Anyway so now we know that you intend to modernise K1628 to current spec as opposed to with sliding seat and old rig. You have to work with us a bit here as generally everybody modernises Goodwin, Baker or Coombe hulls which we know a lot about. I suggest that you send a photo or two as well.

There are 3 basic layouts, each with their own variants (the rules are very open for deck layout): full length sidetanks, crewdeck or cut-out crew deck. I have attached photos of 2161 (sidetanks) and 2156 (cutout crewdeck). Most of the crewdeck boats have been cutout so that the crew has more room for their feet. The crewdeck is something that the class inherited from the sliding seat days.

Other points to bear in mind:

The sail plan changed in 1980, bigger main and spinnaker

all up weight reduced to 126kg in 1980 from 136kg

spinnaker pole length increased to 2.5m in 1995

post-1978 boats were built with wider centreboard cases which meant gybing boards could be used (still in common use)

I'm not sure when the Trapeze came in to use on the Hornet, but it is possible that your boat was designed for slidiung seat usage. If not modified for trapeze, you'll need to consider it. I have seen old boats where the mast has gone through the crewdeck!

As both Duncan and Jeremey have pointed out a visit to a club with Hornets of different designs would be the best option. Let me know if we could arrange this.

Sorry I have just got to the stage of adding the pictures and realised that this option has disppeared. I will e-mail them

Best regards


From Andy MacLennan

Hi there!

You recently replied to my (ahemm!) 'rant' on your forum - thnks very much! Was trying to place this reply on the Forum - but access was denied because I'm not a perhaps I did have a point!

Anyway - you asked for a condition report on the old girl. She's all there but the grp hull is totally stripped out. All the fiitings, foils, mast ( looks like a much newer Proctor D) boom, sails (tired but usable) are present also.

Originally my m8 was getting her - but he bowed out at the last minute - so I've landed my next project! Luckily the hull hasn't seen water in at laest 15 yrs and is in superb nick - so a good starting point. You also asked to waht extent I wanted to restore her.....I'm a fan of doing a job really need all your guys to get out there digicams and take pics of the cockpit layouts for me so that I can choose which one to go for. Ideally I'd like her to race again so will be looking to keep her down to weight as much as possible!

I'd really appreciate all the help I can get. yes - I appreciate your point that she's an old boat...but my equally old Solo still wins races all down to 8 months of hard graft rebuilding her...was kinda hoping to do the same for the Hornet!




Posted By: roger
Date Posted: 25 April 2005 at 14:23


I have to disagree with you. Tom in particular has been very helpful. I recently put back together H 140 (1953). He and Richard Barnes helped me source the original sliding seat and although I couldnt find any pics of her in original condition or any original sails to go with her she is now back out on the race track. At the Exmoor Beastie this year she kept pace with a Winder fireball 40 years her junior until we retired. I think many Horneteers thought I am a bit strange wanting to sail a knackered old boat but the crowd at Netley last year were very helpful allowing me to take measurements etc as they were preparing to race(not the best time to choose).

Strangler and several others have been very welcoming at the fastsail stand at the Dinghy show this year.

When you have finished upgrading your boat you will be welcome at any of the classic and vintage events as well.

Good luck with the rebuild.






Posted By: Mud of Maldon
Date Posted: 25 April 2005 at 19:44
John Waddington restored and modernised "Skylark" 643. Maybe you could contact him for some tips.

Posted By: Strangler
Date Posted: 25 April 2005 at 20:16

.....his email address is-

mailto:waddingto[email protected] -

Posted By: westie4566
Date Posted: 26 April 2005 at 10:27

Thanks guys for all your help so far - all offers of pics much appreciated and I look forward to recieving them! I'll keep you all posted as to my progress (always much slower at this time of year as sailing tends to get in the way) If anyone is near their boat (and have such a thing!!) could the give me the fore and aft length of their back tank?



Posted By: Strangler
Date Posted: 05 November 2006 at 21:49

Hi all

Just a plea for contributions to the newsletter, coming out next month. Club reports, Gossip - surely there is plenty out there, any questions you may have about the Hornet, tips etc etc.

Get those keyboards tapping. Thanks Strangler

mailto:jo[email protected] - [email protected]

Posted By: whity
Date Posted: 06 November 2006 at 19:28

hi strang i have a good pic of lewi doing a yard of ale if i can work out how to scan it in the computer i will email it and a briff rundown on the nights soc



Posted By: Strangler
Date Posted: 06 November 2006 at 20:40
Cheers mate. Wot about the racing?!

Posted By: jonsilk
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 11:17

In regard to older boats, the Merlin Rocket class association has managed to get the RYA to adopted an age related PY adjustment system for older boats. This is obviously not perfect as people can modernise older boats with modern rigs, but it does encourage a 'Vintage' wing of the class and dedicated DIY enthusiasts to spend their winters in the garage!

Maybe this is something the Hornet Class could convince the RYA to adopt for pre 1980 boats as post 1980 boats can still be very competitive with the brand new GRP hornets.

Posted By: roger
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 12:31

I have to agree Jon. The fireballs have done something very similar with a classic fleet aimed at narrow bow boats. I have mentioned to Strangler that perhaps now is the time to set up a classic wing with some time allowances for, for example non revolution boats.

I dont think the RYA would need to be involved initially. I think the class could offer a seperate prize for the classic boats who could sail from the same start in the same race but for a different prize. It may get some of the older outclassed boats back out of the sheds.

When I sailed 140 at Netley a couple of years ago we and another planker were regularly about 3 minutes an hour behind the rest of the fleet but Im not much better in a revo. That may be a starting point if you wanted to compete on an equal basis using handicaps.

The CVRDA do a different and rather complicated system depending on age of boat,  state of tune, amount of modification and how the OOD feels on the day but we probably race on a less serious basis the main aim being to get the old boats out on the water and preserve them.

Just something else for the poor overworked committee to deal with.

Posted By: whity
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 16:58

yes i will do the racing aswell



Posted By: jonsilk
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 20:04

The main advantage in getting the RYA to adopt the system of age adjusted PY for a class is that this can then be used to persuade clubs to allow for the PY adjustments. I understand that, in the Merlin's, many club's would not accept the PY adjustments when just Class supported, but reluctently adopted them once supported by the RYA.


Posted By: Strangler
Date Posted: 06 December 2009 at 00:04

As its a bit quiet on the forum here are some holiday snaps! -


Posted By: John Shelton
Date Posted: 07 December 2009 at 09:26
nice souvenirs - did you have to leave the Statue of Liberty to port or starboard?

Posted By: Strangler
Date Posted: 07 December 2009 at 16:18

"If you go within 200 meters of Liberty Island you will be arrested".

The Coastguard ribs had machine guns mounted on the bow. But some FDs still went round the back of the island coming in after racing. Never seen again....

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